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    I guess it wouldn't be surprising if if turned out after all the fuss that it didn't actually matter whether Americans voted for Hillary or Trump because they get the same policies either way, the ones that Goldman Sachs and their allies want.

    Was the same in this country until Corbyn came along, but his policies are just as bad but in a different way.

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    So they've attacked alleged "chemical weapons sites", who knows if what that's what they really are though.

    Why is "Western" foreign policy seemingly conducted on behalf of either Israel or Saudi Arabia? (And Goldman Sachs of course).

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    Try the simple approach just once, Tinny. They've attacked actual chemical weapons sites, and Russia has no capability to stop them, nor to hit back at ships well out in the Med. The 'consequences' will come, but they won't be direct war. Power cuts maybe, cut off Europe's gas, hack government systems?

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    Well, as for cutting off the gas, they'd be cutting their nose to spite their face. The last thing they need at the moment is less money coming in.

    As for the cyber attacks - yeah I can see that, but I also think the west is geared up for retaliation along those lines too.

    Whatever, it's a very unhealthy situation, and my view is that Syria should have been left well alone in the first place. Same with Iraq, but it's far too late for that now. Overall, we seem to have thrown an enormous amount of fuel on an already nasty fire, and it has gone beyond any immediate method of extinguishment.

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    Do we just leave Syria to sink or swim? Plus lose influence in the middle east. Our friends there put pressure on for something to be done, and without those friends, unsavoury as they may be, we might have all sorts of other trouble on our hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaz View Post
    Do we just leave Syria to sink or swim? Plus lose influence in the middle east. Our friends there put pressure on for something to be done, and without those friends, unsavoury as they may be, we might have all sorts of other trouble on our hands.
    Neither Syria nor Iraq were any danger to us. The gulf Arabs have been trying to do away with Ba’athism since its birth. As a political ideology it is against Monarchies and religious influence.

    The biggest issue in the Middle East is the Sunni / Shi’a one, which has been going on since the death of Mohamed, and if it is allowed to flourish, will continue forever. Under Ba’athist rule (as in Iraq & Syria) it is ruthlessly put down. People might have to live in a police state, but at least they can live in peace - if they toe the line. Not ideal, but civil war and the displacement of millions of people is indescribably worse.

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    Russia is a strange and dangerous place.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43781351

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    I read over the weekend that Gareth Williams who was found dead inside a locked hold-all is now believed to be another victim of Russian intelligence. Apparently he had named a Russian mole inside GCHQ just a short time before his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickle View Post
    I read over the weekend that Gareth Williams who was found dead inside a locked hold-all is now believed to be another victim of Russian intelligence. Apparently he had named a Russian mole inside GCHQ just a short time before his death.
    What a way to go that was too.

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    The article went on to say poison was injected into his ear once he was unconscious

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